tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post1234022641547649463..comments2023-10-07T02:00:48.078-07:00Comments on Trans Group Blog: Freedom To...Starve?helen boydhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06979008474375552946noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-57876616149365336112009-03-18T04:24:00.000-07:002009-03-18T04:24:00.000-07:00Besides Rebecca, Do you also realise that Marriage...Besides Rebecca, <BR/><BR/>Do you also realise that Marriage Equality will enable hetrosexual TG people in a relation with a partner of the opposite sex to their gender to marry before they have surgery and all their legal work done?<BR/><BR/>See the advantage of the protection in this as that now the protection ANY hetrosexual couple now simply has?<BR/><BR/>Maybe you can also see the advantage pe1bivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132325752874648477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-67132123571897094072009-03-18T04:07:00.000-07:002009-03-18T04:07:00.000-07:00Rebecco, I have no idea if you realised you just a...Rebecco, I have no idea if you realised you just also did stick a dagger in the back of the LG allies of Transgendered people.<BR/><BR/>Yes, an inclusive ENDA and other protection of ALL LGBT people is important!<BR/><BR/>That's why ALSO Marriage equality is important.<BR/>Besides that, marriage equality will create jobs and YOU could be someone filling a job in that!<BR/><BR/>So, I can only pe1bivhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132325752874648477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-36898382340157117592009-02-14T11:12:00.000-08:002009-02-14T11:12:00.000-08:00This whole argument is pointless. As if ENDA is re...This whole argument is pointless. As if ENDA is really going to protect queer people or trans people. Magically companies around the country are going to start hiring all the unemployed trans people out there? Yeah right. And not fire anyone? Cause theyll be really scared that some unemployed trannie is going to win a big employment suit. Good luck with that.AAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15758046178993609872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-63366460252847719172009-02-13T07:03:00.000-08:002009-02-13T07:03:00.000-08:00"meek, politically correct, hushed tones"? Let me..."meek, politically correct, hushed tones"? Let me be frank. Rebecca, you seem to have no idea how to actually persuade those who don't already agree with you. This writing does nothing to create change, which is won by understanding the concerns of those who don't agree with you, not by ranting against their disagreement. Instead of helping create change, you are lowering the discourse and Nancy Nangeronihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18319010459421156999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-60965450973726909322009-02-12T13:15:00.000-08:002009-02-12T13:15:00.000-08:00Nancy, my problem here is not the cause but the ti...Nancy, my problem here is not the cause but the timing. I am a staunch supporter of same-sex marriage, but not at the expense of workplace rights.<BR/><BR/>Let's not forget that transpeople have been stripped from bills (ENDA) or just not included when rights for gays and lesbians were granted (NY, NJ, Mass., Wisc., etc.), always with promises of coming back for us that either never come true or Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01460371931587118403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-33632856377336149992009-02-12T05:54:00.000-08:002009-02-12T05:54:00.000-08:00There are always greater and lesser needs. Should...There are always greater and lesser needs. Should transgender people wait for their rights until poverty is eliminated, or the recession ended? I don't think so, even though those issues affect far more people. If we were to follow your reasoning, we should give up everything until genocide and poverty overseas is eliminated. <BR/>Gay marriage advocates should advocate as much as they feel is Nancy Nangeronihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18319010459421156999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-19745326259592367422009-02-10T12:58:00.000-08:002009-02-10T12:58:00.000-08:00I disagree Nancy. I think it's black and white in ...I disagree Nancy. I think it's black and white in this case. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the plight of families that are homeless or going hungry due to unemployment are a more urgent problem than the ability of a much smaller group to be able to marry.<BR/><BR/>For decades, we transfolks were told to wait our turn. I don't think it's unfair to ask marriage advocates to do the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01460371931587118403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-51320963275023668742009-02-10T12:08:00.000-08:002009-02-10T12:08:00.000-08:00This is not just about the economy going up and do...This is not just about the economy going up and down, it's acknowledging that sizable parts of our communities can't get jobs, healthcare, housing or appropriate social services. It's acknowledging thousands of LGBT youth are being pushed away from their families or into the foster care system.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Helen, I'm a single adoptive parent and a former teacher, and I think what Rebecca Ginahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126067426459920339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-4939680721350751812009-02-10T10:46:00.000-08:002009-02-10T10:46:00.000-08:00maybe not as important, but important. yes, food &...maybe not as important, but important. yes, food & shelter comes first. but the ability to create & sustain a family is vital -- especially for those with children.<BR/><BR/>i don't understand positing this as either/or. can't we work for both? i'm planning on it.helen_boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10449290480827158734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-70675782970529685232009-02-10T08:29:00.000-08:002009-02-10T08:29:00.000-08:00For my two cents, I could do without long, insulti...For my two cents, I could do without long, insulting rants, especially against other people doing their best to advance civil rights for all people. If you must criticize, either do it more concisely, or show some ability to understand not just your own concerns, but also those of the voices you're critiquing. If you want respect, show some. Nothing is as black and white as your writing seemsNancy Nangeronihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18319010459421156999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-50274219999286725612009-02-10T07:01:00.000-08:002009-02-10T07:01:00.000-08:00Rebecca, the thing about the economy is that to a ...Rebecca, the thing about the economy is that to a large extent, is has to come back on its own. The government tries to help the process but can do only so much, even with billions of dollars. Meanwhile, people hopefully try to help each other.<BR/><BR/>Still, the world doesn't stop during a recession, and civil rights are no less a concern in economic hard times than in good times. As Helen VĂ©ro Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02895169022031921712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-4590476896538707762009-02-09T16:18:00.000-08:002009-02-09T16:18:00.000-08:00Helen, I agree with Gina here. There's no way I'll...Helen, I agree with Gina here. There's no way I'll ever believe that the right to get married is as important or as urgent as the right for people to be able to work and provide themselves and their families with the basic necessities of life.<BR/><BR/>In a lot of cases, we're literally talking life or death here. To me, that trumps pretty much everything.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01460371931587118403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-34072808119940401782009-02-08T22:42:00.000-08:002009-02-08T22:42:00.000-08:00As a legally married queer, the ability to be lega...As a legally married queer, the ability to be legally married is economically important, as in: shared health insurance, social security benefits from/for each other, etc.<BR/><BR/>Is is Freedom to Marry Week, btw. Not the beginning of a campaign that won't end ever. Just a week of consciousness-raising.<BR/><BR/>But yes, I freely & proudly admit I'm guest blogging for marriage helen_boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10449290480827158734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13297025.post-34607521211644271832009-02-08T20:49:00.000-08:002009-02-08T20:49:00.000-08:00Yup, Rebecca, while marriage equity is important, ...Yup, Rebecca, while marriage equity is important, it's certainly not on the same level as housing, jobs, healthcare, education and support for LGBT youth (especially in foster care and transition to adulthood). Let's face it, this is a bone that's being thrown at GL people who they're counting on for fundraising. They want David Geffen and Ellen DeGeneres to come to their fundraisers, not a bunchGinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126067426459920339noreply@blogger.com